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again I can say that Eugen Kogon would be the right man to give you all the necessary information because he was the clerk of Dr. Ding and he knew everything, and I, as I said, was a painter there and had nothing to do with the organization. QYou have the impression, then, from what you knew of Kogon's activities that ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,395,000 | 1,395,500 |
an opportunity to discuss a. number of matters with him. THE PRESIDENT:Counsel for tho Defendant Mrugowsky, whoso case has boon called next, has requested that Defendant Mrugowsky be excused from attendance before tho Tribunal this afternoon in order that his counsel may consult with him preparatory to presenting his d... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,395,450 | 1,395,950 |
it will got no exhibit number. I know it is being discussed here, it is being submitted here, and in my opinion it has to be clearly established whether it is permissible to use that document. THE PRESIDENT:Tho question suggested by counsel for tho Defendant Blome is at this time purely a moot question as the document ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,395,900 | 1,396,400 |
page, doctor? Read slowly so that tho interpreters can follow you. AWe are concerned with tho reproduction of a speech made by tho late physicians leader, Dr. Wagner, on tho occasion of tho Reichs Party Rally in the year 1934. I quote the passage underlined by tho Prosecution. "The economic burden placed upon tho peopl... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,396,350 | 1,396,850 |
the Prosecution because this would bettor illustrate tho sense of what Wagner said. QGo ahead. AWe are convinced, said Wagner, at the time of his speech, that in the not too distant time every nation and every people will realize that in the purity of its spirit and blood there lies its stronght. We believe that in the... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,396,800 | 1,397,300 |
not so sharply concerned with tho fact that this was only Conti's job in so for as he was Secretory of the State. I want to have you lock at the document, 621-PS, which hes been admitted in evidence as Prosecution Exhibit 595. The German is on the bottom and tho English on the top. Now you will note this is a short let... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,397,250 | 1,397,750 |
do n appear in parentheses. Now, Doctor, do you approve of Euthanasia as it was carried cut in Germany during the War? AI wouldn't want to be impolite now. It is very far from me and is not within my dignity. I believe, however, to have made it clear made it absolutely clear - in my book and in my statement so far what... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,397,700 | 1,398,200 |
don't wake up any more. I can't stand it any longer." Cases where the daughter drew me aside and also asked me, "Please help my father fulfill his request." There was nothing left for a to say, "According to the law a physician is forbidden to do that." And, yet there are cases in which the physician for deeply humanit... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,398,150 | 1,398,650 |
principally pardoned and never bo execute That is what I want to say in this very brief passage very clearly, and it has nothing to do with Euthanasia. Q.All right, Doctor. First I want to tell you that we have had now seven of the defendants a n the stand, and you are the first that has had difficulty with the transla... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,398,600 | 1,399,100 |
I may tell you the following: Just as much as I was interested in this secret procedure, a number of leading physicians belonging to the Reich Chamber in Germany were also interested. In addition to myself, a number of other leaders of the Reich Chamber of Physicians an Bauambleiter wanted Conti's explanation of that a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,399,050 | 1,399,550 |
of a legal settlement. It is my point of view that three demands have to be fulfilled The first: we have to be concerned with incurably sick persons. Secondly: we have to have people who have expressed the desire or, rather the members of their family, to undergo euthanasia as sometimes they themselves can not overlook... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,399,500 | 1,400,000 |
that, I tried to interfere in that matter, then I did it for reasons already stated. QNow, Doctor, we'll go on to tho subject of blood coagulation. Now. in this question, taking up again the personality of Robert Feix. Was the reason why an attempt was made to declare him half-Aryan, or half-Jew so, that he could conti... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,399,950 | 1,400,450 |
doctor? AYes, I have found the 22nd of February. QIt states: "1000 hours. No. 7. Further work in the matter of SS Hauptsturmfuehrer Dr. Ploetner to be lone through RGF." Would that RGF mean the Reichsgesundheitsfuehrer? Do you follow me? AI do not think I understood something correctly. I have the 22nd of February but ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,400,400 | 1,400,900 |
Pro Dr. Gebhardt." Then it continues on, discussing polygal problems, etc., ending up with "1) Success report on polygal." Now to I understand it correctly that when the Tribunal asked you what the reference by Sievers, stating "Experiments Professor Blome" meant, that you answered that that possibly meant some work in... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,400,850 | 1,401,350 |
HARDY:The identification number is 462, Your Honor. QNow, doctor, I want you to turn to paragraph 5. Now I will read this paragraph: "In August 1943 I was twice with my nephew in the Dachau concentration camp. The first time I went only to his private quarters and did not see the laboratory. The second time he showed m... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,401,300 | 1,401,800 |
scientific point of view. QNow, Doctor, were you on fairly good terms with Rascher during the course of your collaboration with him? AThat is a very flexible concept "you are on good terms." I have already spoke about Rascher in the direct examination. In the beginning I thought he was all right, I thought he was indus... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,401,750 | 1,402,250 |
Sauerbruch's number? AYes. QNow, you maintain that these two entries, the one concerning Rascher and the rewarming after general freezing of the human body, and the other entry concerning Hirt's activity at Strassbourg, are in this document by mistake, that somebody made a mistake when they put them in the document, is... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,402,200 | 1,402,700 |
the Ahnenerbe made a mistake, is that right? AI think I can very easily explain this: This file note of the Ahnenerbe, for that is what it was, indicates that these research assignments were sent to the Reich Research Council by the Ahnenerbe, and I ask you to inquire of Mr. Sievers about this. And since the Ahnenerbe,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,402,650 | 1,403,150 |
Mr. Pfannenstiel, as he did not want Rascher to habilitate with him, and then I did nothing more in this matter as I did not see why just I should take any steps in the matter, as not even Rascher's superior, who was at the same time a professor and could have carried out this Qualification as a lecturer, was not willi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,403,100 | 1,403,600 |
not true that I read it. I said expressly that I did not read it. If I had read it I would be glad to tell you the title and the contents because that would not be anything punishable if I hear subsequently about such scientific experiments that valuable results might be expected for future research. I should like to e... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,403,550 | 1,404,050 |
has ordered that the treatise will be treated as top secret. Consequently, I was not allowed to hand you over the treatise personally. Therefore I beg your pardon for having taken this way. May I respectfully ask you, dear professor, when I could possibly see you for a conversation regarding the formal admission. "At t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,404,000 | 1,404,500 |
other witnesses have talked about this habilitation of Rascher. I think that Gebhardt spoke of it, that Rascher spoke to him about habilitation in the surgical field. In the beginning Rascher said to me that he wanted to qualify as a lecturer in the field of blood coagulation; and then I think in some other connection ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,404,450 | 1,404,950 |
will work on, what Handloser will work on, or John Doe will work on? Who determined that in the Reich Research Council? AWho specifically issued these assignments I can not tell you. I can only tell you once more that I was net competent for issuing the assignments. That these assignments belonged to Mr. Sauerbruch, an... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,404,900 | 1,405,400 |
only person you reported to or had any duty to report to was Hermann Goering. Now, is that right? Did I understand you clearly? ANo. You did not understand me quite. Perhaps I did not speak explicitly enough so that you could understand me. It was like this: the man who received a research assignment had to report to t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,405,350 | 1,405,850 |
in court with the exception of the Defendant Oberheuser, absent due to illness. THE PRESIDENT:The Secretary-General will note for the record the presence of all the defendants in court save the Defendant Oberheuser, absent on account of illness pursuant to excuse by the Tribunal. Counsel may proceed. DR.FROESCHMANN (Co... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,405,800 | 1,406,300 |
cannot tell you, he didn't tell me. Q.We have gone all over that before, doctor. What I am getting at is in your letter you state those three methods, three ways to be taken into consideration. Now, the first way was special treatment of the seriously ill persons. Would that mean outright extermination of all the TB Po... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,406,250 | 1,406,750 |
is a plea to avoid the extermination. You state that the approximately 35,000 Poles who are incurable and infectious will be specially treated. What do you say to that language, Doctor? A.I believe that in the direct examination I expressed myself very clearly and very unequivocally on this point. If you now read such ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,406,700 | 1,407,200 |
consider simply maintaining secrecy impossible." Now, doctor, you stated there that there could be no doubt about the intended program of extermination being the most simple and radical solution if absolute secrecy could be guaranteed. Now, wasn't the element of secrecy the only thing that concerned you? A.No, let me r... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,407,150 | 1,407,650 |
true, that secrecy could not be maintained. Then in the same paragraph, in the middle of the paragraph, you state the euthanasia program - talking of the manner in which this was done and which methods were used. Now, it seems from that language that you were quite familiar with the activities concerned in the euthanas... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,407,600 | 1,408,100 |
second paragraph on page 14 of the English Document Book. This will be found on page 5 of the original German. Do the interpreters have that? "Another solution to be taken into consideration would be a strict isolation of all the infectuous and incurable consumptives without exception in nursing establishments. This so... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,408,050 | 1,408,550 |
For everyone who knows condition in German at that time, it is quite obvious that I could not take any other tactics if I wanted to have success. I know such examples from the military side, fi*** you say yes and then you try to do what is really the right thing in order t avoid opposition and then let the simplest and... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,408,500 | 1,409,000 |
opposition to the program; is that right? A.Yes, you have expressed my point of view correctly. If I had taken a different point of view this murder of Polish tubercular patients could not have been prevented. Q.Of course, Rudolf Brandt says it was not prevented. We'll go on to biological warfare, Doctor, Reich Marshal... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,408,950 | 1,409,450 |
you set up an institution in Nesselstedt; is that right? A.It was under construction; it was not finished in Nesselstedt near Posen. Q.In Nesselstedt near Posen? A.Yes, Nesselstedt is a village or a suburb of Posen; it belongs to the district of Posen. Q.Did Schreiber work with you there? A.No, no work was done there. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,409,400 | 1,409,900 |
from the institute, and that he had not even been able to blow it up. He said he was quite worried that the arrangement for human experiments which were in that institute and which were recognizable as such, might be recognized by the Russians very easily. He said he had tried to have the institute destroyed by a Stuka... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,409,850 | 1,410,350 |
what was said. I said that if Germany had wanted to make an offensive preparation for biological warfare, this could not have been done without calling upon Schreiber as the man in charge of epidemic control. Schreiber was the man in Germany in whose hands all the threads of epidemic control ran together. That is what ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,410,300 | 1,410,800 |
be made on Russian prisoners of war? ANo. QWell, do you know that the - AThe document very clearly says that I suggested that these experiments should be conducted in the Military Medical Academy. The Military Medical Academy was in Berlin, not in any prisoner-or-war camp or concentration camp. QWell now, do you know w... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,410,750 | 1,411,250 |
two months. It was dated June, and it took it until August before it got into my hands. I think that I have proved well enough that I could have had nothing to do with such things as are stated in the Nurnberg judgment. QWell, now, do you assume that the activities which took place as are listed in the Nurnberg judgmen... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,411,200 | 1,411,700 |
sufficient time to comply with the twenty-four-hour ruling of the Court. Furthermore, Your Honors, the Prosecution selected to retain this document for cross-examination purposes, and as I understand, the rules of evidence do not compel us to supply the Defense Counsel with a copy of a document we are going to use for ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,411,650 | 1,412,150 |
no certificate, and, therefore, in my opinion, no use can be made of this document. I object to the use of this document for this reason as well. He starts the document with the sentence: "I part from life because I made a false statement under oath." That is the Conti on whom the Prosecution wants to base their eviden... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,412,100 | 1,412,600 |
thing with Conti. I said I considered it impossible that I discussed such a thing with Conti because of the poor relationship between us. That as far as your statement about Dr. Conti goes, as for the value of the statements of Professor Schreiber, I have gone into that in detail. In the direct examination I disproved ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,412,550 | 1,413,050 |
bring to light anything acre or importance I can dispense with a redirect examination. This concludes my examination of the defendant Dr. Blome and I have only new a few documents to submit in addition. THE PRESIDENT:You may proceed. These documents which counsel will offer, will they require any explanation by the def... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,413,000 | 1,413,500 |
in tho first supplementary volume and two documents in tho supplementary volume No. 2, documents 15, which gets exhibit no. 15, and document -- THE PRESIDENT:Counsel, will you please begin again the description cf the documents in Blome's Supplementary Book? DR. SAUTER:I shall repeat. In Blome Document Book 1, the last... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,413,450 | 1,413,950 |
my opinion, Dr. Blome, as deputy of Dr. Conti, should have known about. I also heard again and again from different medical consultants of the Reich Chamber of Physicians when they talked to me about official matters, that they were surprised at the ignorance of Dr. Blome as far as certain happenings were concerned whi... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,413,900 | 1,414,400 |
time two confidential agents of Dr. Conti (2 physicians) from the office in Berlin came one after the other to settle down in Munich. Very soon I was under the impression, from my own observations, that these two men had the task of watching over the activity of Dr. Blome and perhaps also of the other experts of the Mu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,414,350 | 1,414,850 |
but again he had been unsuccesful. The next paragraph, number 11, I do not have to read into the record but I ask that judicial notice be taken of it. It clarifies the two contrasting opinions of these two gentlemen concerning population policy. Then there follows number 12. It reads: "12) It came to my knowledge durin... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,414,800 | 1,415,300 |
in the affidavit just read. This affidavit also is sworn to and the signature appropriately certified. Dr. Dingeldey says in his introduction that he was a librarian and consultant in the Reich Chamber of Physicians; that he was born in 1893. I do not believe I have to read No. 1; it contains an outline of Dr. Dingelde... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,415,250 | 1,415,750 |
political influences; he therefore tried to dissolve the common leadership of the Reichs Chamber of physicians (Reichsaerztekammer) and the leadership of the main Office for Public Health (Hauptamt fuer Volksgesundheit) because the letter was an outspoken Party office. Dr. Conti, on the other hand, had a plan of social... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,415,700 | 1,416,200 |
had a very high ethical opinion of the medical profession. He often told me that he wanted clean, decent, helpful plysicians; he was especially anxius about this. He emphasized repeatedly that a physician should always be up to the mark with his scientific knowledge, and that a country doctor should always be the cultu... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,416,150 | 1,416,650 |
law. Professor Dr. Klare was averse to such a solution and was of the opinion that this Euthanasia problem must be regulated by a special law. In this way I found out about the Euthanasia problem. At that time I also saw the file "I accuse" which dealt with the Euthanasia problem. I am asked: how is it possible that th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,416,600 | 1,417,100 |
I am about to put in has not yet been read. It is an excerpt to a Report on the 4th Conference "East" of the Consulting Physicians on l6 and 17 May 1944 at the SS-hospital Hohonlychen. Lecturer: Professor Wirth about "Enemy Sabotage with Poisons". This document is being introduced by me in connect in with the general c... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,417,050 | 1,417,550 |
contents of this article so that you may be given a picture of Dr. Blome's efforts in this field and his attitude in these matters. If I may briefly summarize the contents, Blome first of all emphasizes the fact that the health authorities and medical science should stand in closest relationship, that the health author... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,417,500 | 1,418,000 |
requiring that they be offered in evidence. But, as to a document which has been offered and received in evidence, that is before the Tribunal for consideration, whether it be read into the record or not. Anything to add? Certain documents of which the Tribunal take judicial notice are the Control Law No. 10, Ordinance... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,417,950 | 1,418,450 |
onwards I informed Rudolf Brandt about my efforts to secure peace and other endeavors in the interests of humanity. In this particular respect Brandt always supported me. When in difficult individual cases my efforts with Himmler were successful, then his continuous support undoubtedly helped to effect this through sec... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,418,400 | 1,418,900 |
translation in the third paragraph, the fourth line of the English document, referring to the Chief of Office IV, in the document book it was translated VI, which is correct? DR. KAUFMAN:Six is right. Now I ask that the witness Meine be called to the stand. THE PRESIDENT:The Marshal will summon the witness, August Mein... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,418,850 | 1,419,350 |
to make your position clear, and in order to explain to the Tribunal what the personal staff of Reichsfuehrer Himmler looked like, I shall now show you a sketch prepared by Rudolf Brandt and ask you to comment on this sketch and perhaps explain it briefly. DR. KAUFMANN:In my document book, Mr. President, this sketch is... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,419,300 | 1,419,800 |
this figure fluctuated during the course of the War since a number of tasks received more emphasis while other tasks had to be neglected. Q.Now please explain this sketch in a few words. A.Yes. May I say at first that the personal staff comprised the immediate circle of collaborators of Himmler, upon whom he relied for... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,419,750 | 1,420,250 |
in an increasing measure, the Reichsfuehrer-SS deemed it to be correct to see that not every Main Office should register their needs with State authorities on their own behalf, but that all these applications and requests be centralized in one spot and from there to be sent on to the Ministry of Economics or the Minist... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,420,200 | 1,420,700 |
from peacetime when the Reichsfuehrer-SS planned special measures intended for these SS members who had come into economic need, not by their own fault. This office issued loans to a large extent. The head was an SS-Sturmbannfuehrer, r. Fitzner. Q.Before you discuss the personal department I would suggest that you firs... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,420,650 | 1,421,150 |
Staff, that is, until the end of the year 1943. The head of this department at the last was SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Heckenstaller. The next main department, the Personnel Department, dealt with personnel matters of all members of the personal staff. I am sorry, I forgot the name of the head of this department. Then we hav... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,421,100 | 1,421,600 |
second group comprised applications coming from the German people. There were mostly requests for help or requests for advice in family matters. It frequently occurred that these applicants had other applications dealing in other agencies of the Reich, and asked for the support of the SS on their behalf. The third grou... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,421,550 | 1,422,050 |
how it came about that Brandt signed very important documents. Will you please tell us what a normal working day was from morning to evening, what observation you made, and what Brandt's active part was? A.Apart from the times when I had to represent him, I often went to the Field Command, since I had to receive all th... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,422,000 | 1,422,500 |
he couldn't deal with that before breakfast. In addition he had to report about his own mail, too. Himmler was in the habit of wanting to decide all matters by himself and, therefore, this mail comprised a number of handwritten letters, the contents of which were reported to him by Brandt since the reading of these let... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,422,450 | 1,422,950 |
Brandt or me during the time I represented Brandt. It was often only possible to sign very hastily since the messengers were already waiting at the train. I can recall a number of cases where the train had either to be stopped, although that of course was a difficult matter because the train was also a train meant for ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,422,900 | 1,423,400 |
In the rule, and that was true in my case, too, he merely read the most important words, and once he fund out that this letter was meant for Himmler personally he put it aside immediately. Mail which was really read by Dr. Brandt, as far as I observed, comprised all these letters which he didn't have to submit. He was ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,423,350 | 1,423,850 |
get signatures from him. Otherwise he often sought this way out. When I found that out in my case, I also make the sane observation in the case of Rudolf Brandt. Q.Now, I believe we have spoken enough about the technical way in which the nail was handled. Now I should like to ask you what Brandt's position in the perso... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,423,800 | 1,424,300 |
before midnight, sometimes even later. As a rule I only got to bed at one or two o'clock at night. Himmler expected us to be ready for work just as long as he was still up and was staying behind his desk. Q.Do you want to maintain the statement that you have just made, even if one considers that Rudolf Brandt formally ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,424,250 | 1,424,750 |
only cite as example the institution of the voluntary divisions of the Waffen SS, an institution which comprized members from numerous European countries. Q.Will you please be brief in answering this question? A.Yes, I just want to say I was often ashamed of having comrades tell me, "How come you don't know that, you a... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,424,700 | 1,425,200 |
based. If I am now to state what influence Himmler exercised on those people who with pure conscience and pure heart approached him and got to know him more closely, I am forced to tell about impressions that I had and to cite experiences which are completely in contradiction to what terrible things we know about him t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,425,150 | 1,425,650 |
listeners, how he relieved them of the burden which was on them by merely expressing his thoughts. It was interesting to hear his attitude toward religion and the individual freedom of conscience human beings. He considered the concentration camps as a sharp instrument for the execution of stern political necessities. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,425,600 | 1,426,100 |
confine himself to testify pertaining to the defendant Rudolf Brandt? DR. KAUFMANN:May I say something about that, Mr. President? I almost feared that the prosecution would raise this objection - but then, I believe one cannot see this case properly; this case has not only an outer objective side but this case of Brand... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,426,050 | 1,426,550 |
I wasn't in a position -- to place myself in the position of these human beings who, here filled with confidence, are expressing a plea and which I was just dealing with in a superficial manner. Dr. Brandt was always very anxious to see that everything was settle peacefully. He was anxious to see that quarrels were avo... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,426,500 | 1,427,000 |
me to, in other words, when I was representing Dr. Brandt. Q.How far did this authority of Rudolf Brandt or yourself acting instead of Rudolf Brandt, extend, that is, did Rudolf Brandt sign letters or orders on behalf of Himmler pertaining to top secret and secret matters? A.That can't be answered in general. That depe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,426,950 | 1,427,450 |
known to you during the time that you were in the personal office. Now, as you know from the indictment the prosecution has charged that freezing and high altitude experiments were conducted at the Dachau concentration camp. Did you ever hear about those when you were working in the office of Rudolf Brandt? A.I did kno... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,427,400 | 1,427,900 |
as Prosecution Exhibit No. NO-2-- pardon me -Exhibit No. 87 which will be found in Document Book No. 3 on page 20. QWill you read that document, witness? A "To SS-:Brigadefuehrer Gluecks, Oranienburg. SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Dr. Brandt asks you to give instructions for the four women ordered by the Reichsfuehrer-SS to ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,427,850 | 1,428,350 |
out to him that this system mail great difficulties for us when we wanted to get an overall picture, and that it should be possible that simply for practical purposes some change should be brought about. Himmler replied that he had previously no objections to the way his instructions were carried out and, consequently,... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,428,300 | 1,428,800 |
that more or less on my own. The same ** true of Dr. Brandt. I assume that here in this case Dr. Brandt received the order from Himmler to take care of these four Polish women and that a few minutes later because I was in his office, he in order to make his work easier told me orally, "Please send a teletype to Brigade... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,428,750 | 1,429,250 |
details, and I believe I have already made it clear that I had no suspicion that these women were to be used for criminal purposes. Q.Were you ever in a concentration camp? A.Yes, in January 1943, I was in Oranienburg on Himmler's orders, because he at that time had ascertained I had never visited a concentration ***. ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,429,200 | 1,429,700 |
(For Schroeder and Becker-Freyseng) BY DR. MARX: Q.Your Honor, I ask permission to ask a few questions of this witness. You just stated you know that Stabsarzt Dr. Rascher on orders from the Luftwaffe carried out experiments. How do you know this? A.Rascher told me that himself. Q.May I ask when he told you that? A.As ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,429,650 | 1,430,150 |
refer to these objections by the Prosecution this afternoon at the beginning of the session. THE PRESIDENT:Tribunal will hear Council at 1.30 this afternoon about this matter, if any questions arises, one possible solution is that the Tribunal could view the film to determine its materiality. Either the entire Tribunal... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,430,100 | 1,430,600 |
period of study gave me more pecuniary support than they were really able to. My first work on this working scholarship consisted of very laborious work as telephone stenographer in a newspaper office. From the beginning of November 1928 to the end of May 1930, I, although I was still a student, was being employed as o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,430,550 | 1,431,050 |
in the Wehrmacht. And in the Waffen SS I was Oberscharfuehrer, that is to say, a rank that correspond roughly to the German Sergeant, or for that matter, the American Sergeant. Q.Did you serve in the Waffen-SS? A.Yes. In 1935 I went through a courst of training for four or five months in the Standarte Deutschland. Then... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,431,000 | 1,431,500 |
him and Staatssekretaer Dr. Stuckardt, respectively the Ministry of the Interior, since during the war these two offices had been kept separate. Q.You just spoke of your salary which really was too low. Now, did you have any other income? A.I had no property except that which, like any other careful person, I had been ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,431,450 | 1,431,950 |
Meime I made a note in my chart that the ninth block and tenth block were to be changed to "personnel". THE PRESIDENT:I made the same note myself but I am not altogether sure that counsel for both parties would agree that that is correct. BY DR. KAUFMANN: Q.Mr. Brandt, did you hear what the court just said? A.Yes. Q.Do... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,431,900 | 1,432,400 |
and birthday presents, Christmas presents, Easter presents, presents when somebody was born, that Himmler sent out, also his regular gifts of books to higher SS men and later to some of the Wehrmacht generals. Furthermore, I had to supervise the numerous welfare measures that Himmler arranged for in various local branc... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,432,350 | 1,432,850 |
all natters of a strictly technical nature. For instance, reports and letters from the Chief of the Fernmeldewesen, other technical reports, letters, reports, suggestions from the Reichsarzt SS, and other Physicians in all fields of medicine, and also as regards experiments and research. All of these were natters that ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,432,800 | 1,433,300 |
regards to matters that were worked on in the personal staff, in other words, who worked on what. It was ascertained that my department did by far most of the work with regard to mail. Even at that time the number of outgoing letters from my department was roughly three to four thousand a month, and in some months more... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,433,250 | 1,433,750 |
were not intended as a reprimand to counsel at all. Neither is it the desire of the Tribunal to limit in any wise this defendant or any defendant in the presentation of evidence pertinent and material to his defense. BY DR. KAUFMANN: QWitness, you were saying before, when describing your sphere of work, that medical re... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,433,700 | 1,434,200 |
authority to issue directives? AI neither had a right to issue orders in the medical sphere nor in any ether sphere. I was never in a position to make my own decisions even in my own sphere of work. Whatever went out to various agencies could be traced back to a decision by Himmler, a decision which he reserved himself... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,434,150 | 1,434,650 |
of a stenographer, of a passive co-worker? AIn my opinion, it can not be evaluated in any other way, since I neither have any expert knowledge nor am I acquainted with the connections of all these affairs. I only transmitted what Himmler dictated to me or what Himmler told me about. QCould you at any time avoid to carr... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,434,600 | 1,435,100 |
it became a permanent institution in the case of the field headquarters. Subsequently I dealt with the orders which I received in the meantime, and I was currently called into Himmler's office from morning until late at night in order to receive orders for telephone conversations, teletypes, letters, etc. In addition t... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,435,050 | 1,435,550 |
where the other person only received knowledge of his signature after the teletype had already left? A.Yes, that happened to me on frequent occasions, and I am convinced that there are yet a number of teletypes of which I don't know anything even today, although they do bear my name. Q.Witness, I shall now discuss a fe... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,435,500 | 1,436,000 |
document, which is found at page 19. It is document 040, exhibit 154. This is a letter of the Reichsfuehrer SS personal staff which bears your signature. It is a top secret letter and directed to Gehrlandt SS-Oberfuhrer. I call your attention to the first sentence of that document, and it says there and I shall only re... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,435,950 | 1,436,450 |
such things. I would express it that conversations between him and me, impossible as it may seem never took place. Perhaps that was because of my not being a good conversationalist, but I think it was mainly because of the distance which was kept between Himmler and me on the basis of our respective knowledge and intel... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,436,400 | 1,436,900 |
at page 3 you will find a document which bears the number 247, exhibit 197. This is a letter which is -directed to you personally and it states: "Dear Comrade Brandt: "It alrefers to the same question, namely, the extermination of Poles, by way of the so-called special treatment. Does that hold true in the case of lett... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,436,850 | 1,437,350 |
such assertion? A.I did not have any basis for that. During the interrogation period documents were submitted to me as they are contained here in those books. In addition the interrogating officer made certain remarks. Whatever the formulation was did not originate from me but it was submitted to me in that form. All o... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,437,300 | 1,437,800 |
accuse," because the film does not represent any factual proof, but a freely conceived action, and because moreover the translation of the German film would take a great deal of time and this translation would be superfluous if it were found that the film is not admissible as evidence. I should like to say to that the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,437,750 | 1,438,250 |
there is save previous engagement of the projection room but I could ascertain that and have Mr. Hardy report to the Tribunal after the intermission Or, since there is no intermission, I could have him report immediately after adjustment of court. THE PRESIDENT:Very well, I will appoint Judge Sebring, Judge Crawford an... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,438,200 | 1,438,700 |
his defendant are concerned. DR. FRCESCHMANM:Mr. President, any cuts made in the film would make incomprehensible the conclusion, and such a work of art cannot be cut into pieces and no piece simply removed. If there is a trial run of it I should again suggest that the court view the entire film as soon as we have the ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,438,650 | 1,439,150 |
I recall on the other matters. Q.Do you wish to say then that you did not road the two inclosures to this letter? A.I really sh uld like to s ay that because, as I have already said, is reports which were destined for the Reichsfuehrer were put into the mail that he was to read personally, and in the case of Professor ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,439,100 | 1,439,600 |
would arise in connection with the collection of skulls for anatomical purposes, on it would never gave occurred to that any we would be used for this except prisoners who had died a normal oath. Q.Mr. Brandt, did you work in this matter independently hereafter or you submit it to Himmler for his decision. I draw your ... | Harvard: Medical Case (Karl Brandt et al.) | 1,439,550 | 1,440,050 |
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